I don't think climate change and peak oil are a problem... let me explain.
There is so much media, government and public attention focused on the ‘problem’ of climate change and, to a lesser degree peak oil, but aren’t we all looking at this from the wrong angle?
I see the changes in our climate and our impending energy descent as symptoms, not problems.
The problem is much deeper and much more personal.
The problem is the way we – those of us in developed countries – are living our lives.
It’s the way we consume way beyond what we actually need, it’s about the food we throw away, the culture of consumerism we’ve created and have now become enslaved to.
Try telling someone that they don’t need the latest model car, they don’t need a wardrobe full of clothes they don’t wear, that we don’t actually need shopping malls full of useless ‘crap’ and see how far you get.
Somewhere, somehow, we all started believing we had the right to live the high life. Marketers jumped on the bandwagon – or perhaps kicked it all off – and we were on our way. The latest handbags, boxes and boxes of shoes, the latest in-season fashion. Live like a celebrity!
What’s hot and what’s not? Our passion for fashion (not just clothes of course, but the latest model kitchen appliance, the celebrity style overseas get away …) is directly related to what’s hot that’s for sure. And another thing that’s hot is the climate.
Human behaviour – consumerism, land use, deforestation, fossil fuel burning – has now changed the world’s weather patterns – perhaps irreversibly. Warning after warning, each more dire than the one before and appearing in our newspapers, our nightly news programs yet… where is the revolution?
Yet, we continue on our merry way, worshipping the consumerism of today’s life… very few people have really made any serious effort to change the way they live. Our societies make it hard for those of us who would like to seriously change the way we live – you try living without a car on the Sunshine Coast!
We continue to pump out (the problem) carbon emissions in huge amounts (the symptom) despite knowing it is going to cause extinction of species (note to all – WE are a species!), destruction of the environment, major disruptions to food supply and loss of available land…
As for peak oil, do you think an ant cares that we are running out of oil, or a bird, or an elephant?
We care that we are running out of oil because we’ve built ourselves into a corner. A corner built on oil, lives dependant on oil, economies dependant on oil, employment, housing, food, mobility… all dependant on oil.
We’re running out because we’ve consumed what was available at an alarming rate. We’ve wasted oil on frivolous, meaningless things that have done nothing to really improve our lives. We’re less happy and more stressed than our pre-oil ancestors.
Looking at climate change as an environmental problem is taking us off course and away from where we should be focussing. We are losing valuable time and wasting valuable energy if we look at this as an environmental problem.
Because what happens is councils and other organisations, thinking they are doing the right thing – climate change is about the environment right? – employ environmental scientists to get to work fixing the problem.
But then, the poor person put in that position realises the problem is not the environment, the problem is people - social, economic, psychological, planning, infrastructure, systems, systems, systems.
Yes, climate change is about the environment, but climate change is only a symptom, not the problem. Same with peak oil – if we didn’t use (waste?) so much of this precious fuel and if we hadn’t designed our whole lives to revolve around it – it wouldn’t be reaching it’s peak and if it was, we wouldn’t care.
When I worked in the medical field, often patients would be being treated and hospitalised for their symptoms, not the problem. Our health system is a reflection of our current crisis.
Yes we can treat symptoms, we can mask symptoms – but unless we treat the underlying problem – and in this case it’s human behaviour and abuse of earth’s resources – we are only ever going to have a bandaid effect.
Let’s instead bite the bullet and address the real issues 1) consumption – or more to the point overconsumption and 2) a change away from linear globalised systems – resource in waste out – extraordinary transport miles and carbon emissions attached to everything we buy.
Let’s be brave and let's be visionaries
reduce consumption,
produce locally,
build resilient communities
relocalise and
make the transition to our post carbon future with our eyes wide open and looking forward.
February 26th, 2008
Re: Climate change & Peak oil are not a problem
I wanted to make a couple of comments on this thread. First, I really agree with the general thrust of Sonya's argument. But, I think we must be careful with our wording, especially when it is so imperative that we raise awareness with the mainstream who aren't as steeped as many of us here are with the bigger picture and its interdependent nature.
The fact of the matter is that Peak Oil and global warming are problems. That they are also symptoms of a deeper root cause--dominator hierarchies and the Industrial Growth Society--must also be clearly specified. We must spend as much time putting out the fires as apprehending the arsonist as creating a shift in underlying social structures that allow these symptoms to arise in the first place.
While it is also correct to point out that Western consumption habits are a contributing factor in current global crises, they are not "the" problem either, but another symptom. In fact, increasing desires after basic needs are satisfied are actually a fiction. So, where did this story come from?
John Kenneth Galbraith pointed out in his 1958 book, "The Affluent Society," these wants are manufactured out of whole cloth in order to prop up a very fundamental flaw in basic economic theory--denial of the concept of satiation. The theory of consumer demand is necessary to shore up the myth that increasing production and efficiency are the only route to prosperity. That economic growth is good and that we can't get enough of it are totally unsupported by the evidence.
In the reply from Henry Swayze on this thread, one of the points he made was:
There is a Harvard professor who advocates that man is> crummy at taking action on longer-term threats but is supper at taking action
> when the saber toothed tiger is at the cave door.
I think we first have to be aware that Harvard professors are probably more deeply embedded in the consensus trance than the average person. Much of their livelihood comes from rationalizing the status quo. And I'm not saying this to be mean, but to remind us--to guide our compassion as we offer hospice to the OldStory--that the status quo is all that most of us have ever known, and is what we all have pinned our hopes and dreams for the future on. We are constantly told in myriad ways that the American way of life is the pinnacle for ourselves and the rightful quest for those in the developing world.
We all need to realize that the story of the "naturalness" of dominator hierarchies, competition, and a wilderness (both internal and external) that must be controlled in order to realize human progress is just that--a story.
Those of you who have seen the excellent documentary, "What a Way to Go," are aware that Indian tribes had no problem with planning for the seventh generation. Those who have read the equally excellent "The Chalice and The Blade" by Riane Eisler are also aware that a life in balance with the natural world and the forces of creation used to be the norm. The foundation of civilization and all the material technologies we still depend on today arose in partnership cultures that didn't depend on war, slavery, and capitalistic greed (economic cannibalism) in order to think they were "progressing."
We don't need the tiger at the door to wake us up to the necessity to return to being fully human. What we need to do are help people turn off the cultural distractions that keep us from remembering that's what we most long to do.
February 25th, 2008
Re: On Enlightened Leaders
Not sure how I got on this list but I'll offer my two cents
here. It's always painful to follow people's realizations that there
are no "solutions" to our dilemmas. Could we go back to
pre-industrial times: horses and mules, peasant
agriculture? No. No one knows how to live like that any more. And
there are way too many people. There's no way back. Our leaders
will attempt to continue business as usual as long as they possibly
can. It's all they can do. Until it becomes impossible due to
nuclear war, the Greenland ice sheet collapsing, economic collapse or whatever.
I've had almost 49 pretty good years on this planet. No
complaints. I hope to have a few more before the whole thing goes up
in a nuclear inferno.
We are humans. We are animals. We overbreed. We all have to
die. Get over it.
Buy a copy of "The World Without Us" by Alan Weisman and read it. It
will make you feel better. The planet will eventually recover.
Tom
February 26th, 2008
Re: On Enlightened Leaders
Saw that book as a show on Discovery, Tom. It was great. I'm older than you and I agree. I'm glad I've had a good life. Really good life. Maybe we won't be hit by the worst, you and I. Or maybe I/we'll be like the 30 million who died in the USSR collapse. Life will go on, as you say. I'm not sure myself yet though whether to just accept this and go on with things day to day as they are or to take more steps that could possiblly to make the last years of my life and the lives of others less miserable in the process that lies ahead. I would prefer to do the later, but it is hard to do too much as an indiviudal and there is NO interest here in our community yet. I'm still plugging away at getting people here to even acknowledge what's going on. A few get with it. We formed a group, made plans, and then .... everyone got too busy and absorbed with their exisitng lives. It was sort of like the cause of the month. Seems we're back to ground zero.
Co-Author, Middle Class Lifeboat, and Advocate for Affordable Health Care
"If we don't organize for a sane world, we will surely get an insane one."
Susan Rosenthal, Power and Powerlessness
February 26th, 2008
Re: On Enlightened Leaders
peak of 15.7 in 1994, dropped back to 13.6 in 1998, and increased again to
15.3 in 2000. ... Male life expectancy dropped from 63.8 years in 1990 to a
low of 57.6 years in 1994, recovered to 61.3 years in 1998, and then fell
back to 59.9 years in 1999."
February 26th, 2008
Re: On Enlightened Leaders
I'd like to offer that we are stronger and more capable than to succumb to our fears even as powerful and as driving as they can be. We would do ourselves great service to place ourselves in that sacred space of awareness that recognizes the potentials and acknowledge that we have the power to make choices between the light and the dark forces and not just be pushed by our more basic instincts to survive.
If we come from that place, I believe we can meet others who may not be there and exemplify proactive approaches to the current state of downward spiraling affairs. And we need to reach out across the spectrum, which is our greatest challenge. It won't be long before even the most resistant communities recognize the issues of emergency management, food security, transportation, water, healthcare, shelter and a host of others put us all in the same boat. Forward thinkers can prepare the road.
A few emails back I mentioned the Pachamama Alliance. That organization has satellite groups who put on seminars called "Awakening the Dreamer, Changing the Dream." These are set up as one or two day seminars that spend time acknowledging the state of affairs we've brought our ecosystem to and follow that up with approaches and motivation to not just assume responsibility but to move forward by making connections with others who are capable of feeling empowered to make changes. All those changes, as we here probably acknowledge, start within but, at the same time, we can join others.
Sarah, I saw:
"... but it is hard to do too much as an individual and there is NO interest here in our community yet. I'm still plugging away at getting people here to even acknowledge what's going on. A few get with it. We formed a group, made plans, and then .... everyone got too busy and absorbed with their existing lives. It was sort of like the cause of the month. Seems we're back to ground zero."
I'd be interested in knowing where you live and how you had initially organized. Here in East Jefferson County, WA/Port Townsend, we started by bringing Brian Weller up from Willits, CA to give us an overview of their WELL process. Willits is a leading force in community organized self-reliance and Peak Oil preparation. You can check them out to at:
http://www.willitseconomiclocalization.org/node/69
I realize there are locations where the resistance to recognizing and accepting responsibility is enormous but the tidal wave of information and challenges at all levels of the human dynamic can be readily harnessed by a core group who are willing to see themselves as a vanguard of change.
Feel free to check out our web site to see what we're doing:
www.L2020.org
Keep on keepin' on,
Steve
February 26th, 2008
Re: On Enlightened Leaders
Steve, I live in a small mountain community of about 2500 homes in the Los Padres National Forest (www.PineMountainClub.net)
Co-Author, Middle Class Lifeboat, and Advocate for Affordable Health Care
"If we don't organize for a sane world, we will surely get an insane one."
Susan Rosenthal, Power and Powerlessness
February 26th, 2008
Re: On Enlightened Leaders
February 27th, 2008
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February 27th, 2008
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February 27th, 2008
Kunstler's contacts
David,
If you also mean Howard Kunstler, you can contact him through is literary agent:
Adam Chromy
Artists and Artisans Agency
10 West 29th Street
New York City, NY 10001
212 924 9619 ext. 15
Email: adam@
or his Lecture Agent:
Miriam Feurele
Lyceum Agency
433 NW 4th Avenue
Portland, OR 97209
Tel: 503- 577-6361
Email: miriam@
Steve Hamm
February 27th, 2008
Re: Kunstler's contacts
Kunstler@ aol.com was his address from his website in '06; not sure if it still works.
February 27th, 2008
Re: Kunstler's contacts
Hi All
Mack here from Post Carbon Institute. A detail about the list serve is
that it parses out email addresses, to keep them from being publicly
listed, so apologies for the truncated address.
If you need to put an address in a message, put spaces around the @
sign, or write it out long hand - mack at postcarbon.org
Thanks,
-M
February 27th, 2008
Re: Kunstler's contacts
Jim Kunstler dropped his aol address but you can contact his agent with ?s. www.kunstler.com
February 27th, 2008
Re: Kunstler's contacts
Thanks, Brad.
February 27th, 2008
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not sure why that didn't go through. That's at Kunstler at AOL dot com.
February 27th, 2008
Re: Kunstler's contacts
Maybe I'm missing something, but aren't we referring to Post-Carbon Fellow James Howard Kunstler?
He lives here in Saratoga Springs, NY.
If so, he has disabled his personal email (he gets wa-a-ay too much flak from his weekly blog).
His website is www.kunstler.com
Cheers,
Jim Zack
February 27th, 2008
Re: On Enlightened Leaders
February 27th, 2008
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Hi, Sarah;
Did you actually mean James Howard Kunstler and not George Knustler, which I think was a transposition error in the spelling of his last name?
Evidently, Howard Kunstler was in Bakersfield last November so I think you mean him. Bald fellow who wrote "The Long Emergency"?
Steve
February 27th, 2008
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February 25th, 2008
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Why is it that everyone looks in the wrong direction? For fuel sources we look down for fossil fuel beneath our feet instead of up into the sun and air and for leaders we look up when we really need to look around. The leaders that will get us out of this are amongst us. It is only a grassroot action that will help now. The problem is not huge, removed and up there it is in every home at every campfire in every journey. The problem is each one of us which is small and because our numbers are large then the problem is huge. Different thinking required for the two different “huges”. Leaders are solving the one with the solution for the other. People need power…..give them a huge power station…they need water…..build them a huge dam. This has been the thinking for so long when small and close solutions will solve the problem.
We have all the solutions. We even have the will. We just can’t turn this huge machine off and let individuals solve the individual problems, at every meal, with every trip with each relationship and every life choice. Who was it said…”stop the world I want to get off?” I say….”stop the problem solving… I want the solution.”
Janet
February 25th, 2008
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March 2nd, 2008
Re: On The Solution
Hi,
February 25th, 2008
The Beginning? Or the End? Whose choice is it anyway?
Hello, Sarah & Janet;
While the "machine" runs on, it's well into running on empty and the laws of physics tells us it can't sustain that indefinitely. So we have at least two forces working both in our long term favor and against our consumer-on-steroids interests, given we have the human compassion, intellectual capacity, practical skills, emotional clarity and spiritual insight to anticipate our next moves.
Sarah pointed this out a message or two back when she noted:
"... this problem will take care of itself when the economy collapses. We will be forced to live differently. I've lost track of ... how it's been shown that our species is not at all good at dealing with long-range threats, but is excellent at responding when the tiger is at the door."
Well, hello, Tony (sans the sugarcoated cornflakes)!
Those of us with a decade or two left in our natural lives will be in the thick of it. While our children aren't likely to live long enough to see the end of it, or their children's' children either. However, as previously noted, even though our quantity (with all the entendres implied) will diminish, I believe our quality holds the potential to increase.
I'm not sure that any sophisticated technological solutions will come to our rescue if their underpinning resources are extinguished or pushed beyond fiscal attainability. However, in the large, global picture, we could be thinking in terms of barn raisings and barn dances, cooperative eco-housing enclaves, community and front yard victory gardens, root cellars, blacksmiths, bicycles, candle makers, weavers and cobblers, closed system building techniques utilizing cob, bale and mud and, of course, the all implied neighbors-helping-neighbors.
It is possible that if we maximize our minimization in most areas where we currently take things pretty much for granted (i.e., gas-powered transportation, chemical fertilizers, plastics, out-of-local-season-cross-border agricultural produce, imported kitsch, synthetic clothing, etc.) then we may be able to have some technological accoutrements like localized (as in home-based) human/animal powered electric generation facilities, some biomass co-generation, geothermal, tidal/wave power, hydrogen storage (?), maybe even communication systems that work well enough to share basic life-sustaining information.
We will likely need to anticipate, as well, the highly probable reaction of baseline, lizard-brain survival approaches from those who'll panic because they haven't been paying attention or have been immersing themselves in ESPN distractions that idolize thunderous horse power circular reasoning and/or helmeted head banging punctuated by open choke blunderbussing at defenseless winged animals or the occasional hunting partner who didn't announce their presence. (Think the fear-driven "Dick Cheneys" of the world.)
Change remains the paramount paradigm and those who can span the anticipation gamut of that paradigm are the ones most likely to last a little longer.
This isn't cause for depression. It's just a realistic assessment of the potential probabilities. We can mitigate the effects if we come back to the basics that we all do inhabit the same spaceship and that cooperation can lead to a more sustainable, if not a more enjoyable, lifestyle.
There are organizations abounding that proselytize this message. Our task, as all of us here apparently realize, is to continue spreading the word, growing our own, closing loops and generally caring about each other and the Great Mother who sustains us.
For me, the weakest link in all of this, and there always seems to be at least one, involves the basic fundamentalist approach of "my way or the highway", as exemplified by the Rapture/Jihad/Apocalypse/End Time crowd, some of whom possess the means, and the potential wherewithal to use those means, to scorch the entire earth.
Of course, if that happens a good seat at Ground Zero seems to be a workable choice to catch the final lightshow...
In Peace, Justice & Sustainability,
Steve
February 25th, 2008
Re: On Enlightened Leaders
Sarah, you get it! I think the answer is in small local solutions and that Permaculture (in the true use and practice of the word) has the solutions.
The other kernel of the thinking that we need to understand the situation and do something about it ,is the assumption each person holds of themselves and their place in the world. There are as many variances of this as people in the world… except that there are 2 main positions regarding the self and others.
One group sees itself as a self and everyone else is lumped into others. Now these people are wonderful at solving problems for the masses and they have great plans and many/most people let them solve the problem so they can get on with their own lives. And they let them do it as they have BIG solutions but in the end when these BIG solutions fail you get really BIG problems. These people seem to be good at gaining power and votes. When they lead they lead with a select group and give out the solution and tell others how to act.
Then there is the second group who see themselves as just one of the many. They see problems as problems that affect everybody and they try their solutions or let someone else solve it for them. (No one is blameless in this). When they do decide to lead they work in communities and search for solutions but rarely get recognition because they are just small and local. In fact the former group have put in legislation and regulations that are there to protect the “masses” from themselves and these block what the “small solutionists” try to do.
So there you have the machine that grinds on and we feed it our children and our blood and sweat and it rolls over us and sometimes backs up for another go. There is mostly no malice in it, it is just that there are these two views and one has had its day.
Now is the need for the small solutionists and communitarians to skill up, network and get on with what has to be done.
Best regards
Janet
February 22nd, 2008
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February 23rd, 2008
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From my dissertation (I can find and send the full citations if you wish to explore any of them further):
Given that work and material consumption were never a “natural” activity for human beings, this is hardy surprising. From an ecopsychological perspective it’s even encouraging. But for manufacturers of the early 20th century it was alarming. They were desperate to find some other external motivation to keep people working and buying their backlog of products. Forced labor had been replaced by a work ethic ideology that promised first spiritual redemption and then later personal gain, but with that dwindling as well, how was industry to convince people to work hard at generally unappealing jobs in generally unappealing environments, save less and keep buying more manufactured goods so the American economy could keep growing? Over the first half of the 20th century business leaders undertook concerted efforts to find an answer.
Local chambers of commerce launched massive “Buy Now” and “Put the Money Back to Work” public relations campaigns. (Hunnicutt,1988). Retailing giants initiated massive advertising programs to make people want things they had never wanted before, reorienting them to what Edward Cowdrick, (l927, p. 208) an industrial consultant of the time, called “the new economic gospel of consumption.” These campaigns focused on denigrating “home-grown,” “natural,” and “handmade” items, while extolling the superiority of “store-bought” and “factory-made” ones. (Rifkin, 1995, p. 21)
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February 24th, 2008
Problem Identified, Solutions Sought
While it's appropriate to identify the historical causes that created the
consumer culture, which Dr. Sarah has so succinctly outlined. We obviously
need to move on to a massive coordinated cure to that cultural delusion -
for knowledge, without action, remains an academic exercise leading to
little change.
Not to sound too dramatic but it seems we may easily be standing on the
threshold of cataclysmic changes throughout our socio/econo/ecosystems.
Facts identifying, cataloging and supporting the impending decline have been
espoused by diverse researchers since Hubbert and Carson in the fifties &
sixties, as well as before and after that. (See Bibliography: Climate Change
and its Impact on Species/Ecosystems @ http://tinyurl.com/3xmdna). Donella
Meadows, systems proponent extraordinaire, along with her husband, Dennis,
and two other authors, formulated the numbers
30 years ago, in the 70's, that could project resource depletion given
certain other criteria.
Yet, even with innumerable scientific and popular renditions of where we are
headed, the course seems to continue inexorably onward.
The question becomes how do we reach and teach those who have insulated
themselves in the suburbs, surrounding themselves with 100's of
cable/satellite stations that keep pumping the very same message that Sarah
highlighted. And, if you read on, it's much bigger than a suburbanite
nightmare.
GHWB insisted in the early 90's that the US economy was not negotiable. That
was taken as a patriotic proclamation. Ten years later, GWB's admonition to
US citizens after 9/11 was to go out and shop, while he and his economic
soothsayers proceeded to bury our economy in foreign debt and a totally
bogus and embarrassing war. Meanwhile the mesmerized and obedient lemmings,
hungry for their slice of the American Dream and more sand in which to bury
their heads, did just what he asked, by refinancing their home mortgages or
buying into a speculative bubble that has finally popped for most of them.
Still, people don't seem to make the connections, even as apparent and
numerous as they are. Maybe it's because, unlike those of us here who
believe we can make a difference, they are completely overwhelmed by the
enormity of the issue.
What could make it even worse, if they get irrationally angry (even if hey
don't) the next "leader" is going to inherit a situation that will likely
create a lose/lose situation both for individuals and for the US as a whole.
Because it's not the "economy stupid" it's the "stupid economy".
In one sense, maybe this is just what is needed to "shock and awe" the US
population out of its complacency but this could very easily turn into a
"desperate people do desperate things" scenario.
Meanwhile, the international community, becoming more and more independent
of the US consumer economy, could easily watch with some sense and attitude
of "they should have known" or "it serves them right", while thinking (only
momentarily of course, until Nature plays Her hand) that they are above the
impending global decay.
China and India, with their enormous populations, who've been held economic
hostages at the Bay of Poverty for decades, have now apparently bought -
lock, stock and barrel - into the same mentality that is in the process of
undermining the "greatest economy the world has ever known."
Folks, anyone paying attention has got to be seeing deep doodoo ahead. So it
seems pertinent that we might want to put our heads together and explore
ways to spread the good word before we start asking "where are we going and
why are we in this hand basket?"
Al Gore and the UN's IPCC helped out a little but what are we going to do
with Asia, who've been held under the thumbs of capitalist empires for
centuries and now want what they may be thinking are their just rewards? And
how do we place a nonlethal fire under the seats of those awaiting the full
spectrum imposition of digital TV so they can get better reception?
Discussion welcomed.
Steve Hamm, Local 20/20 Communications Coordinator
Jefferson County, Washington State, USA
February 25th, 2008
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February 27th, 2008
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February 25th, 2008
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Bill Mollison noted the impending changes 34 years ago and gave us solutions that have been working ever since. in those cultures/groups that have taken it up. They are our lifeboats.
February 25th, 2008
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Steve, I agree with you fully that we are standing on the edge of cataclysm, and I don't think it that's overly dramatic. The biggest problem we face is that our world leaders need to be jolted into awareness and action just like everyone else - in fact, much more so. After learning last week about the Climate Code Red report and the Garnaut report that followed I believe that at this late hour, the world leaders are the only ones who can pull us back from that edge.It shocks and pains me to say this aloud, but I realize that we are now beyond the point where relocalization can be successful at the level that we all are currently trying to implement it- we've run out of time. Even if we succeed in making Portland and Bundaberg and Willits and Totnes and Boulder and the Sunshine Coast and all the other relocalization and transition communities in the world into perfectly relocalized regions, it won't matter if the rest of the world continues with business as usual. Even getting local and state governments onboard with us isn't enough, if there aren't enough of them to reach and influence the decision makers of each country. It is shameful and disgusting to think that a tragedy of as yet unseen proportions will be required to initiate real and global change. What is needed now is worldwide, top-down mandated relocalization.
Hearing leaders even now calling this simply an environmental problem and saying we need to consider the effects to the economy, when really we're at the point of "live or stop living," is ridiculous. We're beyond diplomacy, carefully chosen words, and concern for what others will think of us. This is an emergency, and we need to begin treating it as such.
February 25th, 2008
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But Andi, while it won't be enough, if they can insulate themselves from being over-run, might not the limited relocalization sites that are functioning be the survivors who will carry on after the collapse?
February 25th, 2008
On Enlightened Leaders
Hi, Andi;
What you are asking for, is something we all could only pray for (if one
believes that prayer can address issues of such enormity), i.e., enlightened
leaders. The logical response to follow would be to ask "How do we get
enlightened leaders when the unenlightened electorate puts them in office?"
Only through a coup brought about by force could we possibly achieve your
ideal situation. But those who possess such power are as myopically focused
on maintaining their power and not on leading the people of the world toward
anything that represents sustainability - defined here as living in ways
today that leave for future generations the resources that that would
sustain them and their progeny indefinitely.
When someone comes along who could address some of the issues many of us
recognize as critical, they are ridiculed, marginalized and subverted, if
not physically eliminated, by others using the fear card. The two people I
think of currently who might approach the level of leadership you and I and
others like us are seeking would be someone like Ralph Nader or Dennis
Kucinich in the US and, forgive my international ignorance, but I can't
speak to other nations' potential "saviors" though I would love to hear
about them.
In many cases, ironically, it seems those who could do the job, don't want
it because they are too busy "being the change they want to see." Power and
control are the farthest things from their hearts and minds.
In any case, this, too, seems a pipe dream because we can readily see the
emotional response that such personages instill in others, namely fear. And
overcoming fear is a purely personal endeavor.
As impossible as it may seem, while I do agree with you that enlightened
leadership would help, it won't solve the problems we face. At the very
least people across the globe must, at the individual level, realize that a
negative change in the quantity of their consumption levels doesn't
necessarily imply a negative change in the quality of their lives.
To do this we have to figure out a way to address the fear of change many
resist.
There is a small though growing movement now instituted by the Pachamama
Alliance (http://www.pachamama.org/) that attempts to address this fear at a
very basic/fundamental level, which includes involving the emotional aspect
of human nature. They have developed a program that has a dual dynamic of
emotional connection to this wonderful, though sometimes painful, experience
of human existence, coupled with the recognition of personal responsibility
and what could be viewed as the Buddhist perspective of right action in
order to make great change a reality and not an ideal message.
The indigenous peoples who spawned this movement live VERY basically but are
so in tune with their connection to the Web of Life that they experience
this existence as paradisiacal, even while being clearly threatened. Their
spiritual realizations are present in this moment and not put off into some
post or non-corporeal life experienced after they die. (For more on this see
http://www.pachamama.org/content/view/2/12/)
What we all seem to be looking and waiting for is the "hundredth monkey"
effect.
Personally, I live in and accept two potential worlds. One world that
accepts an impending "great die off" fraught with chaos and devastation,
while believing that Nature has probably created thousands if not an
infinite number of previously "failed" organic experiments of sentient life,
of which we may be just one more, and that She will carry of infinitely
after we're gone. The other potential world holds Gaia, of which we humans
are a small though significant aspect, as sacred, adaptable, abundant and
accommodating. Both potentials depend entirely on the choices we make from
here on out. Such power is intoxicating and exhilarating as well as
profoundly humbling.
As tempting as the thought may be that enlightened leaders will make a
difference, the truth is, leaders won't do it. That's too easy to believe
and too unattainable to achieve because leaders die, too, so we would need
an inexhaustible supply of them to replace those that move on to the next
phase, wherever that may be.
No, Andi, I respectfully submit that we must do it ourselves as a collective
of enlightened individuals for as long as we can or suffer the consequences
while understanding always that Mother Nature will eventually move on
without us.
In Peace, Justice & Sustainability,
Steve
February 25th, 2008
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