Gin Gin Historical Society & Markets

A busy day today! We were kindly invited along to sit in on one of the Gin Gin Historical Society's meetings today. With a lot going on this weekend we managed to squeeze it in and take advantage of it when the chance arose. Before the meeting the meeting Andi, Jacqui and I ate lunch at the little cafe Pancake Heaven in the main street.

The meeting went quickly with a lot of day to day discussion which was a good window into the workings of a mature and active community organisation. If you had been keeping track on this site there was some earlier discussion about whether a new farmers market concept would be detrimental to the exisiting Gin Gin and Shalom markets. This was discussed in depth at todays's meeting. One upside of a new market operating during the work week looking to cater mainly to cafes and restaurants is that it would have little overlap with existing markets and would actually provide another outlet for local farmers allowing them even more options to sell their produce and giving the rest of us more places buy local. The current Gin Gin markets actually increased traffic and patronage to the exisitng stores in the main street.

We've been invited back to give a report on how things are looking in another 6 months. 

It is stil early days yet. None of this can go forward until there is a critical mass of farmers willing to change the way they think of selling their produce. It takes a significant leap in thinking to change an entire business practice. The next 6 or 12 months may see some systemic change being forced upon us - continued drought, further increases in fuel prices etc. At least we have started these conversations now.


Dean

 

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tamarakelly's picture

Re: Gin Gin Historical Society & Markets

Hi Dean,

Thanks to you, Jacki and Andi for coming - it was good to see fresh blood.
We've never really been worried about competition from another market - we are more concerned that you are putting alot of effort into building something unnecessary when your energies can be better applied.

Crop Coordinator

The DPI have already been working hard to get farmers to diversify into small crops as the sugar price dropped and the fuel prices rose. But perhaps what we also need is a crop growing coordinator who will prevent over and undersupply? They coordinate lines of crop supply and make sure people are growing what is needed at the right time. Trish Cameron at DPI might be the person you need to advise you here.

Possible plan of action:

1) Survey of all the restaurants / hospitals etc.. of what they need and how often.
2) Find out what is available and what could be grown locally (talk to Trish & wholesaler)
3) Consult with wholesaler so that they buy local first - and guarantee it so farmers who have taken the risk on supplying in this manner are not left in the lurch.
4) approach all local farmers and database all their current crops & get what they will have available when
5) matching exercise - what is available when and from whom
6) balancing act - ask farmers to fill in the gaps and change or diversify what they grow.

Might work..might not...who knows? It's just a little bit of help to facilitate localisation without putting in a lot of infrastructure or investing a lot of money.

This could also be done with an automated database which lists how many units of what are needed throughout the year (seasonal)
A farmer opts to supply x units of a particular product and puts it in the ground. Another farmer might ask the database to search for undersupplies given planting lead up times. Another might enter into the database an oversupply of something which then prompts a message to the co-ordinator that there is an oversupply to be sold. It might even send an email to the cottage industries - people who make jams and pickles etc... to sell at the markets or which can go to the small Saturday onsellers.
Where future supply of something is down the database might send a warning to the co-ordinator who could do a number of things such as leg it out to a farmer who is not already on board. It might send an urget message to farmers and possibly to the wholesalers so they are not left in the lurch.

I wonder if the DPI would sponsor such a system? I wonder if such a system exists? Could sustainabundy MAKE this and then SELL it to each region? It wouldn't be a difficult system.

A database would be good from a finance point of view but understanding how farmers and people work - many of them are uninclined to use a database. The height of technology for some farmers is still a telephone.

+ Delivery service
This is where the coordinator might make their own wage. Packaging & delivering product boxes for people who don't want to go to the markets on Saturday.
Perhaps the co-ordinator does the small deliveries for farmers?

OR Perhaps the wholesaler trains on of his employees to do this so no need for the co-ordinator to make his or her money. I am thinknig perhaos wholesalers are already doing this sort of thing in an informal manner.

OK - beddy bysies!

Tam

ahazelwood's picture

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"We've never really been worried about competition from another market - we are more concerned that you are putting alot of effort into building something unnecessary when your energies can be better applied."

I'm confused about what would be unnecessary - as mentioned at the meeting, the idea was for a mid week market where restaurants and cafes could source first quality produce direct from the farmers. In the previous thread you said, "If you decide to start a new market make it a mid-week one so that the growers get expanded opportunities and it is not seen as a challenege to Shaloam because no matter what the emphasis is people will still take a negative view. Nevertheless, a mid-week market will attract a completely different client base." (For the benefit of new members, the previous farmers' market conversation happened here.) Those who participated in the conversation at the Gin Gin meeting while we were there said that a farmers market sounded like a good idea, but expressed concern that it would be difficult to get farmers to look at a new business model because they don't like change and wouldn't have the time to sell their produce themselves.

Your possible plan of action sounds similar to what Dean and I discussed on the way home from the meeting - that if the response from the Bundaberg Fruit and Vegetable Growers members to BFVG's request for interest is positive, then perhaps one business model for them to look at would be for their members to each chip in for a full time BFVG coordinator/driver - someone to coordinate supply and who can also drive to the farms and pick up the produce to take to the farmer's market. However, SustainaBundy has no official role with BFVG or the farming community in general - all we can do is make suggestions for models that support relocalisation and environmental and economic sustainability in our region. How or if they choose to proceed is up to them. Involving DPI is a great idea. If the model is successful, other associations would be able to duplicate it in their own regions if they chose to do so.

SustainaBundy's stated goals, coupled with SustainaBundy's very small number of financial members, limits the scope of involvement we're able to have with this project. Focusing SustainaBundy's efforts on the practical, administrative and financial creation and maintenance of such a project, be it a farmers market or some other system, would be an inappropriate use of our very limited resources (namely time and a very small number of people - and as for the idea of a database to be made by SustainaBundy and sold to each region, in addition to it being out of the scope of our goals, as a nonprofit organisation this wouldn't be something we could legally do). All other projects that are within our scope (the guidebook project, movie nights, garage sale parties, permablitzes, reskilling workshops, etc.) would have to go by the wayside in order for SustainaBundy to take the lead on something of this size, and I don't think that's in the organisation's best interest.

As mentioned initially in our prospectus and officially in our incorporation documents, SustainaBundy's goals are as follows:

1. Working for a sustainable Bundaberg region by raising community awareness of and preparedness for peak oil and climate change.
2. Promoting and assisting in the Relocalisation of the Bundaberg region.
3. Connecting individuals, organisations, businesses and government bodies that share in our vision for a sustainable Bundaberg region.
4. Promoting and assisting the relocalisation of other communities.

tamarakelly's picture

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Sorry.  I was applying my understanding of human small-mindedness to your very broad-minded alturistic ideas.
 
1) I confirm there would be no competition to Shaloam with a working week market but I am wondering if it is necessary when there are already organisations supplying these businesses - they just need to be convinced to buy local and I am sure they WILL if there is a guaranteed supply (thus a crop co-ordinator and delivery service). Farmers don't have time to take their goods to town, spend a morning there and then take what's left over home again. Nor can they afford another employee to do it.  
 
2) If you started a weekend organic farmers market I personally am not at all concened about competition because it is a specialist niche. What I am concerned about is that your appeal will not be wide enough to make it profitable for farmers to be there and even though people attend the organic market they will still have to attend the other market to pick up what they couldn't get organically and eventually they will stop going to the organic market because they can get almost everything at the general market. Human laziness.
 
On the other hand while *I* precieve no threat the stallholders and the organisers of Shaloam certainly might - especially if your stall fees are lower and you have a good venue. You may find yourself with more than a few problems there. Bundy can literally be a hard nut at times.
 
3) Nevertheless, I OPPOSE a separate organic farmers market because I want organic to be MAINSTREAM.  I don't want the organic produce funneled away to another place for all the "hippies" (old definition) and that is REALLY what a lot of the ordinary people here think about organic produce. "Greenie" and "hippie" are still insults here! 
 
When people see the organic stuff sitting alongside the normal stuff and at a comparable price, I want their hands to drift to the organic box.
I want organic growers to be given some quiet preference in the allocation and placement of stalls.
When your locavore challenege starts I'd like you to run a stall "selling" awareness and then co-opt the fruit and veg people and get them to declare with a bright fluro "L" which produce is local.
 
Am I making consistent sense now?
 
 
Tam

ahazelwood's picture

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At no time did anyone at SustainaBundy or BFVG ever state that the proposed market would be organic or on weekends. Someone else in the previous conversation (who, to my knowledge, nobody at SustainaBundy has ever even met or spoken to) mentioned the concept of an organic market and unfortunately, following the exchange on the topic, unsubscribed from the group.

Given my previous comments about the limited scope of SustainaBundy's potential involvement in the farmers market concept, I don't think further conversation is necessary or helpful at this stage - progress can't be made without input from the farmers themselves, and that has already been solicited by BFVG.

I'd appreciate it if all users could consider this topic on hold until further notice to avoid chasing off anyone else. If anyone has anything new or substantial to contribute to this conversation please email it to me directly. Thanks for your understanding.

Andi Hazelwood
SustainaBundy

tamarakelly's picture

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EXCELLENT!!! I'm so *glad* I have the wrong end of the stick. Sorry for alarming and annoying people.
 
have fun
 
Tamara
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: ahazelwood
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 6:24 AM
Subject: [sustainabundy] Re: Gin Gin Historical Society & Markets

At no time did anyone at SustainaBundy or BFVG ever state that the proposed market would be organic or on weekends. Someone else in the previous conversation (who, to my knowledge, nobody at SustainaBundy has ever even met or spoken to) mentioned the concept of an organic market and unfortunately, following the exchange on the topic, unsubscribed from the group.

Given my previous comments about the limited scope of SustainaBundy's potential involvement in the farmers market concept, I don't think further conversation is necessary or helpful at this stage - progress can't be made without input from the farmers themselves, and that has already been solicited by BFVG.

I'd appreciate it if all users could consider this topic on hold until further notice to avoid chasing off anyone else. If anyone has anything new or substantial to contribute to this conversation please email it to me directly. Thanks for your understanding.

Andi Hazelwood
SustainaBundy





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